Suikoden 5 Duel Guide by Pyriel (pyriel@herrvillain.com) Copyright (more or less) 2006 - All text ascribed to characters is the copyright of Konami. I don't care who uses this. Feel free to use it in your own guides. If you do you use it all I ask is that you not claim the work as your own. I probably will not submit this to gamefaqs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - - Contents and Version - - - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 01 Introduction & Notes Section 02 Story Duels Duel 01 - Shoon Duel 02 - Chuck Duel 03 - Lorelai Duel 04 - Roy Duel 05 - Miakis Duel 06 - Childerich Duel 07 - Gizel Duel 08a - Dolph (versus Lyon) Duel 08b - Dolph (versus Hero) Section 03 Optional Duels Duel 09 - Nikea Duel 10 - Unknown Version 1.0 - 2006-04-15 Initial version. All duel text included. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - - Section 01 Introduction & Notes - - - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This guide contains all the lines stripped straight out of the game data. It should be complete, and error-free. Barring typographical errors, any spelling, grammar errors, or odd uses of style are the work of Konami and its partners. The lines were originally in the order they appeared in the data, but I have alphabetized them for easy reference. When using this guide, bear in mind that Super Moves take the form of a special use of one of the Special Move lines. If for some reason you're playing to the "draw" feature that was introduced in this game, you need to remember that Super Moves beat Special Moves, and plan your responses accordingly. While playing the game, there is no way I know of to differentiate between the line when it is for a Special Move, and the line when it is for a Super Move. Update: Actually, after reading through some posts on the subject, it seems as though a Special Move can be used as a counter for a Super Move. I gather it results in the same sort of contest as when you and your opponent attack, but I have not seen it myself. Also, it seems as though random Special Move lines can also serve as Super Move lines. The game's mechanism for setting a Special Move may be less fixed than I thought. This guide is still an accurate reflection of the lines and their associated basic actions, and the single Super Move line is at least accurate, even though it's known to serve two purposes. I have yet to see Gizel, Dolph, or Roy trigger a Super Move on any line other than the one I have listed, however Miakis and Nikea at the very least have been reported as doing Super Moves on random Special Move lines. The first three lines for each duel are merely there for the sake of completeness. None of them have anything to do with anticipating your enemy. There is one comment not included in this guide. In the unlikely even the game chooses a response value that exceeds the number of responses set up for the character, the game will display the string "‚È‚µ" (it may not read properly in your browser). It is in Japanese and translates literally to, "it is not" (I think). This is a debug error message, and if you somehow see it in-game, it means Konami's game scripts and their QA had a few holes. I have also not included the statements made by your characters who you can allow to fight duels in the hero's stead. I consider these items of interest, rather than necessities, but if anyone wants them, I can provide them. There is only one case where your opponent's responses change according to which of your characters is fighting, the duel against Dolph and I have separated that into two more or less separate duels. In all other cases, your opponent's lines will be the same, regardless of who is fighting. If anyone can tell me who Duel 10 is with (in the optional section), please let me know. I went through a few guides and saw no mention of this, and I certainly do not remember seeing this duel when I played through the game. I like to think I would remember someone who laughed that much and that maniacally. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - - Section 02 Story Duels - - - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================= = = = Duel 01 - Shoon = = = ================================================================= En Garde: Good luck, Prince! Victory: A-Are you all right?! Defeat: Uhh... Thanks for letting me fight you... ------------- Attack: ------------- Can't let the ceremonial match drag. Here I come! Here I come!! I can't let you keep getting the best of me!! I'm just going to keep coming at you!! Ngh...No way! You haven't gotten the best of me yet!! Not good enough, eh?! Here I come again, then!! ------------- Special: ------------- Here comes another one!! And this time, I'll do it right!! I'm going to give it all I've got!! Make sure you're ready for me!! I'm coming at you again!! Make sure you're ready this time!! Now it's my turn!! I'll show you what my full power's like!! This ought to finish you off. Don't hold it against me, though, okay?! ------------- Guard: ------------- Go ahead and come at me! I dare you to hit me with that move again! So whoever moves first loses, huh...? That was a real princely move! I won't last if I get hit like that again. Very nice! I guess I'll have to be more careful... You come at me, too, Prince! *pant* *pant* I can't believe you turned my best move back on me... ------------- Super: ------------- [None] ================================================================= = = = Duel 02 - Chuck = = = ================================================================= En Garde: Prince! There's no way I'm gonna lose you know!! Victory: Heh heh!! I win!! Defeat: Prince, you're really tough... ------------- Attack: ------------- I'm really gonna pound you, so get ready! If you won't come at me, I'll go after you!! That was nothing!! But you're really gonna get it now!! ------------- Special: ------------- No way!! You haven't seen the last of my strength yet!! This one's for the young lady!! This ought to be enough to make you give up!! ------------- Guard: ------------- I don't like picking on the weak. I-I need a little break here... Not bad, P-Prince...not bad at all... To tell you the truth, I don't really want to fight you... Well, c'mon, then! You still at it? You don't know when to quit, do you? ------------- Super: ------------- [None] ================================================================= = = = Duel 03 - Lorelai = = = ================================================================= En Garde: C'mon, show me what kind of man you are! Victory: Hmph. So that's all you got, huh? Pathetic. Defeat: I can't believe it... Beaten...by a kid...? ------------- Attack: ------------- A draw, huh...? But that's not all I've got!! Hey, you'll pay for that! Here comes another one!! Hmmm, I guess I'll just warm up a little first! I'm still fine!! I can still fight!! Is that all it takes?! I'll do it again then!! We're just wasting time here. I'm comin' at you! You're still standing?! I'll hit you with another one, then!! ------------- Special: ------------- And now to finish you off!! Take this!! Don't let that swell your head!! I'm only just getting started!! I guess I'll just settle this thing right here and now!! Not bad. But wait till you feel this!! One more time! Think you can take it this time?! This next one'll finish you off!! What do you think, you have to hold back or something?! Don't insult me!! ------------- Guard: ------------- Damn! I guess sheer force alone won't get me anywhere... Hey, aren't you a little too far away? Come at me! Hmph. Don't tell me you've had enough already? I can see right through your moves now! So you handled my best move, huh...? Guess I underestimated you... Unh...You're stronger than I thought... What are you doing? I'm not letting you by until you defeat me, you know! What did you do, give up? You gotta come at me, too! You pitiful man! You underestimate me. When are you really gonna get serious? ------------- Super: ------------- [None] ================================================================= = = = Duel 04 - Roy = = = ================================================================= En Garde: I'll teach you what it's like out in the real world!! Victory: What, is that the best you can do? I guess I'd better take your place! Defeat: I-I lost...? I can't believe it... ------------- Attack: ------------- And now for the feint...This'll do you in for sure! Take this!! C'mon, what's the matter? I'm nowhere near done yet!! Damn it!! Just try that again!! Damn you, that really hurt!! Is that the best you can do?! Well, guess it's my turn now!! It's no fun if we both use nothing but big moves! Tsk. It's like looking at my own face. You make me sick! Well, I'm not gonna hit you with my best moves right away, now, am i?! ------------- Special: ------------- Ah ha ha ha! Here, have another one!! All right, this one is gonna put you out of your misery!! Grrrrr!! You really piss me off, you know that?! Hmmm. Maybe I'll hit you with my best moves right away!! How'd you like that? I'm gonna make you dance! Hmph. How 'bout if I really get serious?! Hmph. Think that'd hurt me? You gotta do something more like this!! I don't feel like having some kind of endurance contest with you!! Let's hit each other with our best moves!! Y-you got me... I gotta take a break...Ha ha ha! Did you really believe me?! ------------- Guard: ------------- D-damn you... You really got me... Hmph. If this ends things, how boring will that be? Hmph. Think that'd hurt me? Come at me like you mean it!! I'll be able to handle it next time!! Okay, here comes another one!!...Nah, changed my mind. Tsk tsk tsk! What a loser! What are you waiting for? Come at me! What is this, an endurance contest? Hmph. Fine with me. ------------- Super: ------------- All right, this one is gonna put you out of your misery!! ================================================================= = = = Duel 05 - Miakis = = = ================================================================= En Garde: You're taking on a Queen's Knight. There's no need to hold back against me. Victory: I'm Sorry, Prince... Defeat: What...? I...lost...? ------------- Attack: ------------- All right, no time to recover! Come on, you can do better than that! Hey, that really hurt! Now you're going to get the same! I guess you are a boy, after all. Now try this! No! I won't give up yet!! Okay, here I come! Ow, ow! Now it's my turn! You'd better stop dawdling or little Alenia will get away. ------------- Special: ------------- Don't you want to settle this quickly? If you don't start getting serious, I'm going to have to punish you!! Now I'm going to get really serious! Ouch, that hurt!! I'll get you this time!! Prince, can you handle this one? Prince, let's put an end to this! Think you can withstand it this time? Time for you to go beddy-bye! What do you think of this, then?! ------------- Guard: ------------- All right, Prince. Show me how good you've gotten. Big moves like that tend to create openings, you know. Didn't I ask you not to hold back? Hey that really hurt! Are you trying to make me cry? I guess I ought to be a little more careful, too. Oh, my....Are you all right? Ow, ow, ow! You've really got your eyes open, huh, Prince? Phew! I feel a little tired... Phew! My arm is tired. So that's the way you like it, huh? That's fine with me. ------------- Super: ------------- [None] ================================================================= = = = Duel 06 - Childerich = = = ================================================================= En Garde: I...will...kill...you...Kill...!! Kill.... Victory: Ga ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!! Defeat: Gaaaaaagghhhhh!! ------------- Attack: ------------- Gah!! ------------- Special: ------------- Gaaaaah!! ------------- Guard: ------------- Gunh gunh gunh gunh... ------------- Super: ------------- Gaaaaah!! ================================================================= = = = Duel 07 - Gizel = = = ================================================================= En Garde: You're gonna have to prove to me...you're a winner! Victory: Hmph... Very impressive, Your Highness... Defeat: Hmph... That was very impressive, Your Highness... ------------- Attack: ------------- And here's another one for you! First of all, let's see how you handle this. I'm not finished with you yet! It looks like we both were a little too impatient. Looks like that wasn't quite enough. Let me try that one more time. that was just a flesh wound now it's my turn. This won't get us anywhere. Take this! Very nice, Prince...But it's not over yet! Very nice, Prince. But our battle has just begun... Why don't you try a steadier approach? ------------- Special: ------------- All right, Prince, what do you think of this? How about it? Think you can stop that one this time? Let me show you how a big move is properly done. This is just a waste of time. Now prepare yourself! This time, I'll really finish you off! Time to finish you off! Very nice...But do you think you can counter this next one as well?! Very nice...Now I'll show you what I can do! You should have shown me a move at least as powerful as this! You wouldn't let yourself get defeated in just one turn, would you...? ------------- Guard: ------------- A weak attack like that would never phase me! Heh heh heh...A little bit of tension isn't a bad thing, either. I'd like for you to show me some of your moves too, Your Highness... I think I felt that one a little bit... Let me see what you can do. Let us calm things down a bit. Please don't disappoint me. This time, why don't you make a move? Very nice, Prince. Maybe I should be a little more careful. Your Highness, you leave yourself wide open. ------------- Super: ------------- Very nice...Now I'll show you what I can do! ================================================================= = = = Duel 08a - Dolph = = = ================================================================= Note: These lines are for the duel versus Lyon. He responds differently when facing the hero. En Garde: You can't defeat me in that condition. Surely you realize that... Victory: See? You shouldn't have pushed yourself like that... Defeat: You did very well...However... ------------- Attack: ------------- Are you trying to bring us both down? It's not going to work. Can you take another one? Here I come. See how you hold up. If you can't even dodge a move like that, you might as well give up. In your condition, this should be enough to do you in. It's not over yet. Now it's my turn to make a move. So, you still had that much strength left, eh? But will it last? Still standing, huh? But can you withstand another one? Stalling for time? That won't save you, you know. Well, well. What a surprise. I didn't think you'd be able to counter that. ------------- Special: ------------- A move like that was too much for you in your condition. I'll end things quickly. Do you think you'll be able to do that one more time? I won't let you suffer long. Is that the best you can do? We'd better end this right away. If you're in that much pain, why don't I just end this right now? So, you still had that much strength left, eh? But can you withstand this? Still standing, huh? But will you be able to withstand this? Well, that was a surprise. Do you think we could do that again? You can't even dodge a move like that? I'll give you another one then! You did very well. I guess I should stop going easy on you. You must be really feeling it by now. Why don't you just let yourself drop? ------------- Guard: ------------- Are you trying to bring us both down? How reckless of you. I really do wish you'd try a little harder. I'm a little surprised to see you had that much strength left. Is that the best you can do? A move like that wouldn't affect me. Let me give you the chance to realize what shape you're in... Simply withstanding my attacks will never defeat me you know. The more time you waste, the more pain you'll be in, you know. That was very good indeed, but it won't happen again. Well, well. What a surprise. Maybe I was a little too careless. Would you like a little break? Would you like to try that again? ------------- Super: ------------- You did very well. I guess I should stop going easy on you. ================================================================= = = = Duel 08b - Dolph = = = ================================================================= Note: These lines are for the duel versus the hero. He responds differently when facing Lyon. En Garde: To see his Excellency, you'll have to defeat me, although I doubt you can. Victory: See? I knew you wouldn't be able to do it. Defeat: I can't believe it...Me, defeated...? ------------- Attack: ------------- Are you looking for ane opening? You're wasting your time. Are you trying to bring us both down? It's not going to work. Can you take another one? If you can't even dodge a move like that, you might as well give up. It's not over yet. Looks like you were a little too hasty. That won't work on me. Please allow me to test your strength. Still standing, huh? But can you withstand another one? Well, well. What a surprise. I didn't think you'd be able to counter that. You have to put more into it. Would you like me to show you? You might have the advantage in strength, but that's all. ------------- Special: ------------- Do you think you can withstand a Nether Gate move? Do you think you'll be able to do that one more time? If you're in such a rush for this to be over, I'll hurry up and end it! Still standing, huh? But will you be able to withstand this? Well, that was a surprise. Do you think we could do that again? You can't even dodge a move like that? I'll give you another one then! You did very well. I guess I should stop going easy on you. You do realize your life is at stake, don't you? You might have the advantage in strength, but what about moves? ------------- Guard: ------------- Are you trying to bring us both down? How reckless of you. Don't hold back now. Go ahead. Try and find an opening. I really do wish you'd try a little harder. I really wish you'd take this more seriously. Looks like you were a little too hasty. You have to pay more attention. Simply withstanding my attacks will never defeat me you know. Well, well. What a surprise. Maybe I was a little too careless. That was very good indeed, but it won't happen again. You have to put more into it. You'll never defeat me like that. You're better than I expected. Let me see what else you've got. ------------- Super: ------------- You did very well. I guess I should stop going easy on you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - - Section 03 Optional Duels - - - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================= = = = Duel 09 - Nikea = = = ================================================================= En Garde: Oh, yeah! I'm all fired up now! Victory: Oh! I won! Sorry about that. Are you okay? Defeat: Ohwww...I lost... ------------- Attack: ------------- Hey, it's not like you to guard! Hey, not bad! Here comes another one!! I'm telling you, that won't work on me. Now you'll get the same back!! Let's hurry this up before I get hungry! Okay, here I go! Okay, look alive!! I'm gonna keep 'em coming!! Speciaaal mooove!! ...Ouch, owie, ow! Sorry. Looks like I can't do one. ------------- Special: ------------- I'll start off with a special move right away!! Kabaluf Landslide!! Speciaaal mooove!! Demba Avalanche!! Speciaaal mooove!! Kabaluf Landslide!! ------------- Guard: ------------- Guard, eh? That wasn't very courageous of you. Hey, not bad! I guess I'd better keep my eyes open! Huh?! That's not the best you can do, is it?! I'm telling you, that won't work on me. Give me something with more oomph!! Okay, come at me! Ouch... You did quite a number on me... Speciaaal mooove!! ...Wait a minute. Are you okay? Speciaaal mooove!! ...Nah, changed my mind. ------------- Super: ------------- [None] ================================================================= = = = Duel 10 - Unknown = = = ================================================================= En Garde: Ha ha ha ha... You'd better make this fun for me! Victory: Ha ha ha ha ha!! You were out of your league!! Defeat: R-Ridiculous...! Me, beaten by this little brat...?! ------------- Attack: ------------- Deadlock, eh? Then let me break it! Don't make me laugh! That pitiful move won't work on me!! Ha ha ha...All right, here I come. Ha ha ha! There's more where that came from! Me, Injured...? You're not getting away with that!! Why, you little brat!! I'll put you in your place!! You tired already? What fun is that?! ------------- Special: ------------- Don't make me laugh! This is how you kill someone!! Ha ha ha...Allow me to reunite you with your parents!! Ha ha ha... You sure you're ready? Me, Injured...? I'm gonna make you regret that!! Why, you little brat!! Die!! ------------- Guard: ------------- Grrrrr...Damn you... Deadlock, eh? Take all the time you need. Ha ha ha ha ha! Are you done? Ha ha ha...Pathetic performances like that will disappoint Ferid, you know. Ha ha ha... You start first. Hmph. Guess you're not as weak as you look. You tired already? Need a little break? ------------- Super: ------------- [None] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - - Closing Notes - - - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This guide was derived from the "duel talk" structure that Konami uses to control the seemingly random blather that goes on during duels. The basic principle is that the strings are created in memory, and the "duel talk" is loaded with pointers to the appropriate strings for a particular duel. There are forty pointers. Three of them are for the "En Garde", victory, and defeat lines. Thirty-six of them are for attack, special, and guard, alternating in that order. The final pointer is the Super Move string. Pointers are often duplicated, hence the repetitiveness of the lines in duels. Some strings are indicated five or more times, while others only occur once. I viewed the data as a flat memory model. The actual make-up of the structure is unimportant to me. It could be a two dimensional array 3x12 with an additional pointer immediately following for the Super Move. A closer analysis of the code would tell, but there is little value in working it out.